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MaD BaRoN HahA · May 10, 2006, 05:02 PM // 17:02

Im reasonably sure im never going to see the inside of one of these missions and again at the moment i dont really care because theres so much more to keep my attention.

Another thing is lmao u cant get into these missions coz its elitist? have any of u BEEN to the ToA trying to get a group? if u havent been there 1000 times with a specific wonder build getting a pug can be really hard (i dont go enough to know the areas), and im not gonna mention HoH and the rank based groups.

Its a nice idea to reward guilds for PvEing together (guilds only really reward before being pvp rank and not every guild pvps) though it would be nice to have some smaller towns/outposts that anyone could access depending on their banked faction (ie:rather than control an area its based on your level of standing with the faction) which would keep people occupied, rewarding those that have the time and skill to get the faction (because as people do it and make new wonder builds itll get more competetive) gives people a goal - for some acheving the goals will make the game enjoyable - hence the new title bar sliders.

Shifty Five Monk · May 10, 2006, 05:19 PM // 17:19

Its fine how it is. They didn't change the favor system did they? Same thing except not pvp. When halls/work hard for faction... Same thing.
Go BkBd and good luck to any guilds that make a push to take cavalon from us!

/signed

Evilsod · May 10, 2006, 05:30 PM // 17:30

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Originally Posted by MaD BaRoN HahA

Another thing is lmao u cant get into these missions coz its elitist? have any of u BEEN to the ToA trying to get a group? if u havent been there 1000 times with a specific wonder build getting a pug can be really hard (i dont go enough to know the areas), and im not gonna mention HoH and the rank based groups.

Sounds like you haven't been to ToA recently yourself. The whole f*cking place is almost empty. Its gone from 5 districts to 1.5. Its that bad we have MMs with lvl12 minions that are actually curses/blood necros too, Orders that don't cast and people that don't seem to understand why its called a BARRAGE team. You can get into a team whatever you do these days.

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the alliance of the guild holding the record for the challenge mission should control the town

Exactly what record is this... because if its speed then thats possibly the worst idea i've ever heard.

Stockholm · May 10, 2006, 05:45 PM // 17:45

[QUOTE=Evilsod] You can get into a team whatever you do these days.[QUOTE]

As you should. WHO are you? telling anyone else what to do in a game. Do you own it? If you do you owe me $50.00 for a game falsly advertiset.

Let ppl play the game anyway they like, it's still a free world, freedom of choise. If you don't like the way someone play's then leave or live with it, it's your CHOISE.

Zehnchu · May 10, 2006, 06:21 PM // 18:21

In all honesty when it comes to owning a town I could care less, let them have their merchant that gives them discounts let them have their fire works stand, name and cape on the town also.

But when it comes to the elite missions the line has to be drawn some where. Personally when it comes to these missions I think which ever side has the favor all people who belong to the controlling side should have access to these missions, since there’s the battle line that’s supposed to move.

Access to all elite mission to all the people who have favor of the controlling side. (if you are favored by the Luxon you can’t get into Kurzicks elite missions)
Alliance own towns get into these mission for free
None alliance pay 1k that goes back into economy to access these mission.

I didn’t have a complaint about getting into FoW/UW because there was always a chance getting in, just had to wait to get favor. But the current set up is just crappy and a vast majority can’t or will never get to play these areas, still sounds like a big screw you...we reward farmers not skilled players.

ump · May 10, 2006, 07:09 PM // 19:09

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Originally Posted by Banebow

Now, not to be rude, but of course you don't see a problem with the system. Most (not all) Americans saw no problems with the favor system while America had favor all the time, but once Europe started getting it all the time we started complaining. The system never seems wrong to those in a position to receive the rewards.

I agree. I wonder how many people support the current system that are not members of a holding alliance. I also wonder if people who own towns and not the captials feel that it is worth it to simply hold a town considering the only rewards I see is fireworks and discounts at merchants.

fb2000 · May 10, 2006, 07:18 PM // 19:18

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Originally Posted by ump

I also wonder if people who own towns and not the captials feel that it is worth it to simply hold a town considering the only rewards I see is fireworks and discounts at merchants.

you can hope its only a middle-state, till you get control of capital

Tigers Anger · May 10, 2006, 07:36 PM // 19:36

I hope that to prove that this game is more about skill than time spent, you should be able to fight the alliance controlling the town in an alliance battle (or GvG or whatever) so you can control the town.

Jagflame · May 10, 2006, 07:44 PM // 19:44

People always want what they don't have. If someone else has strawberry pudding then you want it just because you don't have it, then once you get it you find you prefer the chocolate pudding you had before.

If they hadn't added in Elite Missions at all no one would mind, but they did and so morons think that they simply have to have it just because they don't currently.

I have never played an Elite Mission and probably never will, but I still agree with the system that it is now. People need to shut up and stop hating stuff just because they can't have it. My god.

Stockholm · May 10, 2006, 08:12 PM // 20:12

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Originally Posted by Jagflame

I have never played an Elite Mission and probably never will, but I still agree with the system that it is now. People need to shut up and stop hating stuff just because they can't have it. My god.

The whole factions system goes aginst A-Net's own policy on FARMING, why do you think they have nerfed so many places in Tyria? Just for the fun of it?
Ppl are complaning about farming bot's, what are the Alliance/Guild members now? if not farming BOT'S. Grinding day after day for 10K factions. and they don't even get paid for it. At least the poor guy's in the "far east" make a buck or two.

6950 · May 10, 2006, 08:27 PM // 20:27

I dont see the problem AT ALL. If you want to get into the mission, then work to do it. All it is, is a way to reward the players who have spent their time becoming the most effective at a certan aspect of the game. I do agree that the term Elete is a little wierd, but aside from that, its just a Fow or Uw, without any quests, and way more exclusive. You should be happy that you can enjoy the beautiful game for many other reasons.

Also, whoever said it is false advertizing, if you want to get really technical, the claim the producer made, was that you can play the game through without having to farm. Playing the game through means doing the questline, not holding bonus'.

Just my 2.395 cents

lennymon · May 10, 2006, 09:01 PM // 21:01

I am not a member of a holding alliance, I support the current system. Its a great outlet for folks, I don't really care if my alliance ever takes a town (I'd like to dont get me wrong, but I'm going to play my way). It IS realistic as far as how it would work in the real world... the group that works the hardest/longest inputing the greatest amount towards a cause SHOULD reap the rewards....

My personal feelings about faction farming aside (I'm an EX member of a HoH guild if that helps any), if it makes you happy, then by all means please continue to do so. I am not saying that you are less than me at all, just not MY preference. Faction is useful, even more so if you *arent* a member of the 'ruling elite' we can use almost all of ours for shards which are worth money... and we don't have to look over our shoulders while we do it

My collectors/crafted weapon works just as well as a priceless artifact from the deep (I haven't even seen a pic of any yet, are they cool?) so as far as content goes I certainly do NOT feel like my ($45 US) was wasted. The new skills and monsters, item skins and missions, new pve styles (vizunah square - earthquake ala arborstone) and pvp content (12v12) makes this an awesome addition.

The OP has brass and get my props for standing up, AND keeping composure against the inevitable onslought of 11 year olds who just want more stuff.

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Originally Posted by ump

I agree. I wonder how many people support the current system that are not members of a holding alliance. I also wonder if people who own towns and not the captials feel that it is worth it to simply hold a town considering the only rewards I see is fireworks and discounts at merchants.

Kcp · May 10, 2006, 09:20 PM // 21:20

The problem is that once you complete factions ( what little there is of it.) There is no Elite content for the people not in the capitol holding alliances.

Are we supposed to go back and play UW/FoW/SF? Come those areas were nerfed so bad by anet it makes most of us sick to even look at the statues of the corresponding gods or step foot in the shiverpeaks again.

Most of the alliances holding towns are constantly on the forums bragging about how "elite" they are when in reality most of them are just piggybacking their way thru following the orders of the more experienced player in the group.

Theres 1,000's of more elite players in gw's then these people and they are all left out because they don't want to farm faction by the 10's of thousands daily. I'm 100% confident these left out pver's would teach these alliances a thing or 2 about how to complete these missions.

Fine if Anet wants to keep these elite missions for alliances running the way they are currently then they need to add new areas for the gods for the rest of us, otherwise they will lose a big number of players. The majority of the players arent happy with factions once they complete it because there's nothing left to do except fulfill all those "nifty new pve titles."

Alot of fun to be had doing that.

Ate of DK · May 10, 2006, 11:16 PM // 23:16

Well, I haven't read all the posts and I'm sure it's allready said.

Farming faction has nothing to do with showing how skilled you are.
Everyone can go outside Breaker Hollow and run the stupid box for 400 factions every 2 minutes. Think of this that 8 ppl would run one hour... that would make more than 80.000 faction! And all I would have to do is press Dodge, Escape and Storm Chaser

A bunch on one heap
Only thing you need is to combine a few guilds that have a lot of people that don't like PvP much. Ofcourse they earn a lot of faction.
My Alliance has 3 Guilds that are based on PvP. We haven't exceeded 180.000 factions. But still are organised and try to perform well.

The point tho... well organised but can't proof it.
- Cause Alliance battles consist of a poor 4ppl team-arena build, put together with 2 other 4 ppl teams that are either good or bad.
- So with a 4ppl team like that in such a large battle you can't really hold it in own hands.
- Do I need an Alliance to get 4 ppl... like I don't find 4 ppl online in a guild?

Where are the "Alliance Battles"? Where are the battles where my Alliance teams add something to battles... and I not only see the number of our Alliancequote change after they added some more faction...

Im no elite?
Altho I think of myself as a fairly skilled player having done a lot of these PvE titles...
- Tyrian 90%+,
- Cantha map 92,7%+ (in first 4 days!),
- 179/180 skills capped (175 in 4 days!) (which was a hughe mistake by A-net in my oppinion to forget bosses!!!)
- 81/100 gold items identyfied,
- 66/100 chests opened,
- r9+ in Heroes Ascent,
- Protector of Tyria,
- 5/11... for Cantha protector (cause I have a Tyria char

)),

So why shouldn't I be able to enter this "Elite Mission". The rest was allready too easy cause I was able to complete almost everything with henchmen!!! And the rest I do I can't complete completely cause it's/was not there yet (forgotten/bugged etc.)

So yeah, I feel that I'm not getting what I want for my money. And I don't think it was A-nets intention that you switch Alliance just to go "Elite" for once.... My guild are my friends! And yes I play a lot and I have a life... just no colleges atm

I hope A-Net fixes something!

Greetings, Ate of DK

fb2000 · May 10, 2006, 11:17 PM // 23:17

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Originally Posted by Stockholm

The whole factions system goes aginst A-Net's own policy on FARMING, why do you think they have nerfed so many places in Tyria? Just for the fun of it?

ok, time for an old dispute, but WTF did they nerf that SHOULDNT have been nerfed in the first place? dont you think that leaving such lil exploits (solo uw'ing for example) that only that many players use, put the rest of the community at a severe disadvantage? what they did is, they put a hard limit on the amount of cash u can pull off in a certain amount of time, and its good this way my opinion is..

Scary Raebbit · May 10, 2006, 11:42 PM // 23:42

Saw someone charging to get into The Deep
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Rogmar · May 10, 2006, 11:49 PM // 23:49

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Originally Posted by Scary Raebbit

Saw someone charging to get into The Deep
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That shouldn't be happening.
Another response to the "I paid for this game and I should be able to get access to it" Should I automatically get access to HoH because I paid for the game? Should I get access to perfect rare skins because I paid for them? Think of the elite mission as an item you get for farming tons. Anet doesnt support grinding as a method of how well you do in the game, not grinding period. Of course you will need to grind if you want this mission. The mission is only grinding itself anyway. You have to put together a group that is known to work, even then there's chance of failure. Besides if you had access to this mission, what would you do in it? Wouldn't you farm for the skins and items? That's what you do in FoW and UW...

Stockholm · May 10, 2006, 11:57 PM // 23:57

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Originally Posted by fb2000

ok, time for an old dispute, but WTF did they nerf that SHOULDNT have been nerfed in the first place? dont you think that leaving such lil exploits (solo uw'ing for example) that only that many players use, put the rest of the community at a severe disadvantage? what they did is, they put a hard limit on the amount of cash u can pull off in a certain amount of time, and its good this way my opinion is..

Good!! you got my point. Now we will have FACTION FARMING insted of gold, it's still FARMING. And just give it some time, so the bot builders can catchup and start farming factions, then every one will have to buy access(on ebay) to get in to elite missions. 1 Alliance of 1000 toons farming 24/7 and capitols are soon taken over. And then they sell guild memberships on ebay. LOL

Pompeyfan · May 11, 2006, 12:55 AM // 00:55

When I firsat heard about the chance to control areas and elite missions I thought it would be good - but the implentation of it is crappy.

I thought the idea was going to be - if your alliance controls a city then you get discounts from the traders etc, but elite missions would be available toi whomever was allied with the current winnming side - ie. Luxon's are winning the war, so those allied with Luxn's get the elite missions, not just a select few in farming guilds.

Illusion Air · May 11, 2006, 01:26 AM // 01:26

the alliance system is wack. Traditional guild such as evil, te and top gvg/pvp guild in this game consist of the most skillfull player in the game got screw. The alliance that hold cavolon i think i heard they have over 700 member omg traditional gvg/pvp guild mostly consist of about 20 members because with a big guilds people will have conflict as people want playing time. Gaile Gray said that elite mission is for the most elitest player but guild like evil have the most leetest player in the guild will never get a chance to compete with for elite mission. If you gonna make faction farming as easy as run a supply box for 2 min you can get 400 faction and not give faction for people that tomb and gvg, we get balthazar faction which we can either use it to unlock skill or to change it to kurzick faction or luxon faction because what anet did is to keep every pvp/gvg player in this game most fun mission in this game. I was with the only group so far to beat the kurzick elite and was really enjoyable as you have to think on your feet. So If anet gonna keep the alliance thing as it is i wouldnt mine but add a feature where balthazar faction can be tranfer to kurzick or luxon as bathazar faction is much harder to earn than of luxon and kurzick you dont go and fight some npc that you know what it gonna do over and over again rather use skill to beat another human player that can think on it own. give a pvp/gvg player an equal chance as a pve guild where they have 10 time members as gvg guild as it just mass over skill.